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RE: High Idle when hot - low power on up hill - fixkick - 03-27-2016 ok , seems soda choice 1 is most safe, (sodium bicarbonate or baking soda ) OBD2 16pins. conn3 (photo 3) what pins are populated.? i cant tell with photo which are , only some... IS #3 conn, under dash? where is that? 16pin conn3, pins 2, 4,5 , 7 , 10 and 16 are wired. (2,7,10 , one or two pins can be missing but never all 3) conn2, is missing a pin. and which side is the INDEX tab. purple is pin A(1) blue-yellow is diag pin, see that color? conn1. is not this missing pin too? and is blue-yellow present there are lots of unused connectors, the DLC underhood has rubber cap, if no cap seen its not DLC the 4 locations are (driver seated) 1: obd2 right knee, seated as driver, LHD< left hand drive. in the cab. 2: just in front of battery, under hood next 3 3: right front head light shell. 4: left strut tower, (03-27-2016, 03:24 AM)SrgBog Wrote: The good news is that today I put the part back on and it seem sthat all work good - seems like the idle problem is solved ! RE: High Idle when hot - low power on up hill - SrgBog - 03-27-2016 The OBD2 is located where the right knee of the driver are... Those other 2 connectors are located where the front head light are, under the hood. Both of them have rubber cups. Its already after midnight in my country so I will check at the day time the cable colors and the pins presence in OBD2 - and will update. THANK YOU BTW. For the elecrolisys only sodium carbonate is good (cleaning soda) - sodium BIcarbonat (baking soda) are NOT good for electrolisys. (according to videos that I saw on youtube) RE: High Idle when hot - low power on up hill - fixkick - 03-27-2016 good, night it's 8pm here. yes, if we had a matching book on market 56 car the fsm, we'd turn to the ECU page and all these facts are there. so we just look at wire colors, and populated pins and can say what's there. OBD1 or 2. (or see in FSM P030x codes, any P0xxx codes is OBD2) if its obd2, we have cheap tools to find many problems more easy. you are welcome. RE: High Idle when hot - low power on up hill - SrgBog - 03-28-2016 Hello So I looked at the cables of the connectors... At the OBD2 connector I have only cabels number 9, 16, 5... So it seems that is is not real OBD2 The colors of the other 2 connectors - please see the picture: What I should do now to make the DTC check ? Do I need to Jumper 2 to 4 pins on connector 1 and see the CEL for the DTC? Or I need to Jumper the pin with black wire to diagonal pin on connector 2 ? RE: High Idle when hot - low power on up hill - fixkick - 03-28-2016 (03-28-2016, 03:29 AM)SrgBog Wrote: Hello this will work use colors, only to jump. and win. http://www.fixkick.com/CEL/DLC/CAL-car-diag2.gif brown has some special purpose..?? curious... i think brown is tachometer spark signal, weak. for using tachometer under hood. gray not sure, yet RE: High Idle when hot - low power on up hill - SrgBog - 03-28-2016 Thank you !! I'll do it and will update ! RE: High Idle when hot - low power on up hill - SrgBog - 03-28-2016 Just did the DTC check - all looks good... No key - CEL not flashing key ON - code 12 driving - code 12 It makes me think that the CAT converter is badly clogged because the wierd sound when I driving comes from the buttom part of the car... Or maybe the spark plug cabels are bad... RE: High Idle when hot - low power on up hill - fixkick - 03-28-2016 good, to know now, that and ECU not in limphome mode. (the ecu can get lost) the cat tests is easy. use a standard, shop vacuum gauge. most the good onces have a CARB fuel pressure, side. this side does 0 to 15PSI accurately sold in all stores here. usa, see right side scale here, 15kPa max? is 2psi. http://www.fixkick.com/tools/vactool1.jpg remove the O2 (best is a new one after 100k miles) start engine and check pressure,at 2500 rpm (FSM Spec) and must be less that, what it said on my cat test page. FSM States: 2.8 psi max 2500 RPM max. at 02 bung fitting.? newer Suzuki books 1999+ state 2PSI max. same too can do vacuum and see it go crazy with bad cat.(melted) low engine power has 3 factors. (#2 you dont have) 1: low engine compression, (cam belt slipped.) or cat clogged. 2: cant be EGR you dont have one. market 56. 3: bad spark , timed wrong or weak spark and engine misfires. does it? this is a key step a mech. checks first.. felt or heard misfiring... (a fix first symptom) 4: fueling bad (huge list if checks starting with fuel pressure and FPR tests. ECU inputs wrong. next. one easy test for fueling, is what is your MAF output at keyon, idle and gunned.??????? per my MAF page (fsm and my live dynamic testing) easy tests. ? drive car, get it hot, stop in your drive way /garage, remove spark plug #1 (easy one) is it black on the ends, if yes, are all 4 black? (ever try a new 02?) MAF. cat back pressure. test pass? ECT read 300 ohms hot.? cylinder compression over 150psi? x4.? FPR vacuum nipple dripping fuel. (fpr bad , 1second test)? fuel pressure at spec.? (my pump page) FPR 3 point pressure tests? pass? key on 3 times test, the idle test , then W.O.T? test (PSI tests) Injector leak down test pass? (super easy) key on 3 time, then off and count drop rate... super easy, with the tool. NOT SO: (easy) and last the most hard test of all. injector balance testing. covered in FSM and my injector page. ECU not in limphome mode but it it can get lost with wrong inputs one example is why too high fuel pressure or bad 02 or any exhaust leaks near the 02. the ECU gets lost, its trying to get STOICH, AFR, fuel mix but can't and sticks rich. on pre OBD2 cars, they stick richer,,,when lost. the old ECU's only report, dead sensors. so if inputs to ecu are not dead, but still dead wrong, then NO DTC are set. (case in point a weak,MAF, but is not dead, engine goes lean and bogs, and huge loss of power) but fueling rates are wrong, non the less. can bog? lean. or misfire, rich, id have to drive to to tell the difference there. hope that helps...!!! RE: High Idle when hot - low power on up hill - SrgBog - 03-28-2016 THANK YOU! Just checked the OBD2 wires, The wire colors on the OBD2 is: 5 - black 9 - brown with white line 16 - black wih white line RE: High Idle when hot - low power on up hill - SrgBog - 03-29-2016 By the way : Please look at my attached picture... Isn't it the EGR over there ? This part is just behind my engine... Also I just wanted to put your attention that on the previus message you wrote "cant be EGR you dont have one. market 56" - but on the message after I sent the body tag you wrote "market code 54 is Israel" - so maybe my car EGR after all ? |